(Please note this is a new category containing a weekly summary of issues brought to our attention.)
Despite several Lindanee posts concerning phone conversations with insurance companies, nearly all those who contacted me talked about contacting their claims representative on the phone. From a consultant’s point of view I can only mention, suggest, recommend, reiterate, and post so often about the risks one takes when speaking with insurance representatives on the phone. Unum, for example, has an ongoing company initiative to engage dialog for the express purpose of finding out about daily activities to determine how they equate to work capacity.
Those who follow Lindanee’s Blog on a regular basis are aware we do not recommend verbal communications with any insurance company on the phone. Still, I see quite a few comment posts on the blog talking about “contacting my insurer.” Insureds have the right to request all communications in writing. Anyone who is ill and taking certain medications probably shouldn’t be communicating on the phone with the insurance company anyway. If your disability claim was any other type of retail sale, I’m sure you would insist on obtaining communications in writing.
I clearly understand why claimants and insureds contact their claims reps on the phone when they know they shouldn’t – it’s to obtain reassurance about something; to do everything and anything possible to take away the stress and worry experienced at that particular moment. It’s actually pretty normal for someone to have such a heightened sense of stress and worry that no matter what the risk, he/she must be reassured. Calling the insurance company is the most direct way to calm that need.
While I understand the emotional reasons for wanting to be reassured, I also understand how very simple conversations with insurers can turn into a “chat” resulting in a denied claim. The only time DCS, Inc. recommends a verbal exchange on the phone with insurers is to ask the question, ” Can you please tell me when I can expect to receive my check?” Please think carefully about your phone calls to claims reps and insist on written communications only.
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Although I’m not going to share the actual posts, there have been several Unum employees who took issue with my characterizations of them and their jobs at Unum. I have to say that it might not be a good idea to send posts to Lindanee’s Blog from a @unum.com email address. Unum monitors the emails of its employees. If there are any Unum employees out there reading this, it might not be a good idea to send nasty emails to me from your desk at work. You may get into trouble.
As an addendum – Unum employee comments are generally written to me in an unprofessional manner. Therefore, I usually identify them as spam for blog purposes so that we can maintain a professional and informative Blog rather than an immature chat room.
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Unum’s G4S is apparently contacting insureds by phone claiming all they want is to “have a conversation.” Calls may be connected to surveillance attempts. Claimants need to be aware of G4S and The Hub private investigation services. Insureds and claimants have no obligation to speak to private investigators on the phone. If there is no contractual duty to meet with a field representative, and the insured respectfully declines “the meeting” it makes sense to me Unum’s reps might try just calling to get the same information. Omission of a contractual duty also applies to phone calls with field reps.
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What Linda says is for sure true. I thought I was doing a good thing talking to my claims handler and communicating on regular bases and being helpful. I recently lost my medical insurance. I told the claims handler and informed him I was working on getting new insurance. I had trouble finding insurance I could afford due to my health. My doctors worked with me and made sure I had my meds and told me they didn’t NEED to see me for awhile since I didn’t have insurance unless something went wrong or I started feeling worse for some reason. UNUM, knowing I was still in bad health, and knowing my situation in full, took this information and canceled my claim as of yesterday stating I did not have appropriate medical care. The claims handler said a doctor that worked for them determine I was healthy enough to go back to work by looking at my medical records. I confronted the handler with the fact that he knew my situation and I had been in touch with him in detail. He would not reply to that. He just let me know how to appeal. I asked him about a letter from UNUM that informed me if they had a doctor from UNUM evaluate me then I would meet with this doctor, talk to them, and be evaluated. I asked why none of that was done. The handler again just stated to put that in my appeal. This handler stated the doctor from UNUM looked at the records from my doctor. I asked, how can a doctor who never has seen me or talk to me advise to cancel my claim from medical records only, and, those medical record show that my doctors DO NOT want me to return to work at this point. The handler again just advised me to mention that in an appeal. So I would advise never talking to the handler directly as Linda explained.
Thank you for taking the time to validate my comments. I sometimes think my recommendations just go by the wayside. You have the right to request an IME. I do not often recommend that, but you do have that right. Therefore, if you believe an IME will do you any good request it on appeal. Again, thanks for posting.
Been there done that. Don’t get angry – just do the appeal and be really thorough with it. Have your doc write in detail the entire situation. Make sure you cover every item they used to deny you even new occupation identified. Had to do it for my ins. co and finally after 6 months got back pay and am still being paid. Stay the course! Good luck.
Don’t talk to them at all. When I requested my notes to do my appeal even my angry tiraid was in the notes from the day I got my cancellation call.
Be careful you cannot take back words. Don’t be over wordy either in your writing. Short to the point or they will say you can clearly work for hours on a computer!
Best to you!
Thank you Linda for your blog and all the helpfull information. I had been talking to this handler before I had read not to, but becasue of you and what I did get a chance to read, I was prepared for this in many ways. Thank you very much.
Linda has reiterated to me on several occasions and suggested to “stay off the phone with the insurer” and for good reason. It finally sank in this week and I will follow good advise and will not contact Unum regarding any issues except what Linda has suggested. Linda has a wealth of information regarding this business and we as clients need to trust her judgment and follow her recommendation and suggestions. From my experience even when I call to question the whereabouts of my monthly benefit the claims handler will try and engage me in converation other than the whereabouts of my monthly benefit by saying, “Oh, while I have you on the phone” and the converation does a 180 degree turn to conversation other than my monthly benefit. The claims reps are pretty slick with their selection of words. I remember the converation I had with a particular claims rep 2 days before Linda became my consultant. The rep tried to elicit a response from me regarding a particular question and I recognized in the reps tone of voice that “something was rotten in Denmark.” I immediately started searching for advise and found Linda. Being a claimant is not the best position to be in. We have a lot of anxiety regarding our claim. We want to be assured on so many levels and there is no assurance and we certainly are not going to get it by being on the phone with what I call the insurer “the enemy”.
DON’T CALL YOUR INSURANCE COMPANY AND DON’T TAKE THEIR CALLS!
Just ask for all communications in writing. Life is so much better now that I followed this advise! I have not had to talk to my ins. co in two years – ahh peace and quiet and less anxiety.
Thanks Linda
I can’t tell you the amount of sleep i have lost and how handling this has become so dibilitating . I am waiting for a copy of my policy with Unum to be sent to me from my employer to review in order to find out if I am under contract to meet with G4S. G4S keeps calling and I am not sure how long it will take to get the copy of the policy from employer, they said they would get back to me today. What do i do in the interim? I also received my letter from Unum Friday the 27th letting me that G4S will be contacting. I am hesitant to send a letter to Unum requesting all communications should be done by mail as well as denying the meeting with G4S until i get the copy to ensure i am not obligated.
Linda, Help ..
Thank you for posting. I feel others could benefit from your response since Unum has scared you so much you actually believe your policy requires you to communicate on the phone. I can assure you no disability policy in this country requires any insured to communicate on the phone with the insurer. What I’m concerned about is that setting the issue of phone communications aside, you are managing a disability claim on your own without ever having a copy of your policy or read it. How can you possibly enforce the policy when you don’t know what the provisions are? I’m glad you’ve requested a copy of your policy which consistently refers to “written proof of loss”.
Contact (in writing) your claims handler and say that you will not schedule or speak with any Unum representative about a field visit until you are able to verify you have the contractual duty to do so. Inform Unum you will not speak with the G4S person until you have your policy. Fax the letter as soon as possible. When you are able to review your policy and have a clear understanding of what your obligations are, then you can act accordingly.
No Unum policy requires phone communications.
Is a claimant required to answer questions regarding what they can do at home?
You are required to provide a disability insurer only with information requested concerning your occupation, finances, and medical condition. Personal questions regarding your hobbies, church activity, or home activities have nothing to do with the provisions of your policy dealing with eligibility or continued payments. Ask the question, “Can you please explain what this question has to do with the provisions in my policy?” (Of course, you should not be speaking directly on the phone with any insurer.)
But no, questions concerning your daily activities are deliberately planned to obtain responses which can be used by medical departments to equate those activities to what they allege is equal “work capacity.” I’d also be very careful with questionnaires that ask the same questions about your activities over and over.Thanks for posting.
Linda ~ Thank you for your response….This is what I have put together and will be faxing them tomorrow morning.
I am requesting effective immediately all communications to be sent to me in writing. I have requested a copy of my policy for review.
I will not schedule or speak with any Unum representative about a field visit until I am able to verify my contractual duty to do so. If I am mistaken, please provide me with a copy of the page from my policy which allows Unum to request such an interview.
Once I am able to review my policy and have a clear understanding of what my obligations are, then I will act accordingly.
Thank you,
Linda – please let me know if this is appropriate. What types of financial questions do they even ask? Once I get my policy and review it I will let you know what it says. If it does state that a field visit is allowed. I will be calling you for your services in preparing for that visit.
Now you are headed in the right direction! Perfect.
Done !
I received a call from my doctor’s office today regarding request of certain items of notes, physical exams, reports of diadnosticts, etc, from January 2010 to present from Unum. I have seen my regular doctor on a regular basis 3-4 times a year. I have not seen my hand speacilist/surgeon sice 2008 as a result of telling me unless I want to have surgery again ( had surgery on both my hands in 2003-2008), there is nothing I can do for you. Linda I have a couple of questions, I will call you in the office if you have time to talk.
Great Informative and helpful blog to Lindanee! Thank you for it and it has been reassuring for me relieving much stress. BTW — what is a G4S?
G4S is a very nasty private investigative agency which crosses the line of privacy at times. This organization is more than just a surveillance team. You can look them up on the Internet for more information.
Whew! I’m relieved! From Unum’s website: “Providing protection for 25 million people worldwide-especially when they need it most”
when they hire G4S to investigate me – IT’S TO PROTECT ME!
G4S Investigation Services
Surveillance
G4S utilizes highly trained employee investigators to secure courtroom-admissible, unbiased evidence using the most advanced technology for covert video surveillance.
• Workers’ Compensation Claims
• Bodily Injury Claims Disability
• Claims Slip & Fall Claims
• Litigation Support
Claims
G4S offers a full array of claim investigations, regardless of type, nature, complexity or exposure and is qualified to handle every facet of the investigation. G4S will work directly with you to develop specific investigation objectives to validate claims while reducing your risk. Our Investigators strive to confirm the validity of a claim and the circumstances surrounding causation and liability.
• General Liability
• Written / Recorded Statements
• Disability Field Interviews
• Workers’ Compensation
• Field Investigations
• Accident / Loss Scene Investigation
• Auto Liability & Bodily Injury Claims
• Auto Appraisals
• Liability Appraisals
• Property Losses / Appraisals
• Commercial / Heavy Equipment
• Marine Claims
• Alive & Well Checks
• AOE / COE
• Life & Health Claims
• Contestable Death Claims
• Travel Claims
• Litigation Support
• Subrogation
Unum is a very good example of a company who doesn’t “walk” the “talk.”
Got a call from “SCRTY SLNS WCA”. They left no message. I feel it’s the G4s.
Found out that WCA could mean “Work Capabilities Assessment”. The first word in the caller ID looks like “Security”. The second word maybe “Solutions”.
People on the internet have reported ‘this number’ to have hung up when they said Hello or some said they asked them about their injury and another person said that they were asked person questions. Others said they were told that they won a vacation.
I am not worried because my medical condition is well documented, Yet, this does cause undue anxiety. I had just a ‘feeling’ on Tuesday that I was being watched and so I came here to see what the new PLAN OF ATTACK was from Unum. Have been receiving LTD for over 2 years. Thank you again for this calming and informative blog.
One of the mistakes commonly made by insureds is to think “I don’t have anything to worry about.” If you are contacted by any type of investigative agency you should be concerned. Again, just because a disability is “well documented” doesn’t necessary mean all is well. I’d be careful here.
Ok, now I am worried. Thank you for responding. Do you think that the Caller ID name was the G4S? I didn’t answer the phone, but it seems highly likely that it was them. Can they listen in to conversations ‘inside’ the home or tap the telephone?
Do they really keep track of the times claimants log on to their internet site?
Can they break into a wireless router for home internet even if I have a password set up?
Insurance surveillance does not involve tapping phones or hacking into computer systems since that is still against the law, and expensive. However, yes, insurance companies do watch the Internet rather closely for participation in chat groups etc. We don’t recommend Facebook or Twitter activity while on claim.